March 7, 2017 at 3:42 pm #2364March 7, 2017 at 5:17 pm #2365
Yup, we’re recording tonight and no doubt this will be the main topic!March 7, 2017 at 7:25 pm #2366
Would you consider touching on the recent accusations of Obama-wiretapping, also? I think the case that Mark Levin is making is a valid one. Either the media has been lying (fake news), or the accusations of wiretapping are true. The NYT article that directly refers to wiretapping is pretty indisputable, but I still hear a lot of detractors out there. And of course, people are name-calling and belittling Mark Levin, labeling him a “conspiracy theorist” despite having made a rather substantive argument.
How ironic, too. In an effort to convince the public of a Russian connection, the media inadvertently reported on the illegal wiretapping. And the illegal wiretapping (or perpetual leaking) could be directly related to newly revealed CIA snooping capabilities.
And to think, the CIA apparently has the capability of disguising malicious attacks as being born by enemy states. So much for believing reports of hacks originating in Russia.
Oh, and with all of this news coming out, this story comes back to mind…
Hard to believe anything the Obama admin has said, IMO. Snooping, hacking, deflecting blame. Snowden was right all along, haha.March 7, 2017 at 10:40 pm #2376
I’m sure we’ll touch on it, but I’ll just say right here: I’d be shocked if he hadn’t been under intense scrutiny – given what a wildcard and an outsider he is/was.
Observe the careful phrasing:
“Neither President Obama nor any White House official ever ordered surveillance on any U.S. citizen.”
He wouldn’t have to order it, but he would likely have been kept apprised. The intelligence community has a certain amount of autonomy, and the president – by design – has a certain degree of plausible deniability.
Also, note “on any U.S. citizen.”
I’m no expert, but my understanding is that a warrant is required to eavesdrop on conversations between U.S. citizens on domestic soil. However, a warrant is not required if one of the participants is outside the United States. So they could have targeted the conversation without targeting Trump himself.
I think his conversations probably were monitored. I think there are no heroes here. I think Trump is truly terrible, but what we’re seeing is a clash of forces beyond good and evil, even beyond good and incompetence.
Bottom line, I’d guess that any actions taken were technically within the bounds of law, if ethically questionable.
Here’s a fairly informative article about domestic surveillance:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/with-or-without-the-patriot-act-heres-how-the-nsa-can-still-spy-on-americans/March 9, 2017 at 6:28 am #2385
Hey Brad – Recorded and published (http://magicalmysterymedia.libsyn.com/vault7-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-surveillance-state). Gave you a special shout out just before the break. 🙂
March 9, 2017 at 3:49 pm #2387
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Haha, I’m listening while working from home today and I just got to the break in the episode. I’ll take the complement of “old reliable” any day!
With that said, I do feel as if I’m single-handedly carrying this forum lately. Where in the hell is everyone?!March 9, 2017 at 7:27 pm #2388
I know, right? With thousands of listeners you’d think more would show up. Guess we’re gonna have to start bribing people…. 😉March 10, 2017 at 3:35 am #2390
Ok, I’ll bite. I’ve been lurking, waiting for the new show. Glad to see it’s arrived.March 10, 2017 at 6:42 am #2391
Hey fat_shoes! (love the handle)
Welcome to the community! I’ll be posting the show notes for Vault7 tomorrow.
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